Thursday, 13 April 2017

Alternate Best Supporting Actor 1984

And the Nominees Were Not:

Kenneth McMillan in Dune

Kenneth McMillan in The Pope of Greenwich Village

Sting in Dune

Harry Dean Stanton in Repo Man

Denholm Elliott in A Private Function

Tim Roth in The Hit

John Candy in Splash


For prediction purposes the Sting/McMillan/McMillan slot goes to whichever McMillan performance I prefer. 

97 comments:

Luke Higham said...

1. Stanton
2. Candy
3. Elliott
4. Roth
5. McMillan

Charles Heiston said...

What an interesting line-up. I'll vote for a 2nd Stanton alternate win for 1984.

1. Stanton
2. Candy
3. Roth
4. Elliot
5. McMillan

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on John Lithgow in Footloose.

Anonymous said...

1. Stanton
2. Candy
3. Elliott
4. Roth
5. McMillan
Louis: Your cast and director for a 1980's version of Fantastic Four.

Psifonian said...

1. McMillan (Dune)
2. Stanton
3. Elliott
4. Candy
5. Roth

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

1. Stanton
2. Candy
3. Roth
4. Elliot
5. McMillan

Maciej said...

1.Stanton
2.Roth
3.Candy
4.McMillan
5.Elliott

moviefilm said...

1) Kenneth McMillan (The Pope of Greenwich Village)
2) Harry Dean Stanton
3) Tim Roth
4) John Candy
5) Denholm Elliott

Calvin Law said...

1. McMillan
2. Stanton
3. Candy
4. Elliott
5. Roth

Expecting at least 4's for all of them.

Calvin Law said...

Also I watched the new Ben-Hur film. Not good, but not wholly terrible, certainly much better than a few of the films that came out last year.

Giuseppe Fadda said...

1. McMillan
2. Candy
3. Stanton
4. Roth
5. Elliott

Thoughts on Melanie Griffith in Body Double?

Robert MacFarlane said...

1. Candy
2. McMillan
3. Roth
4. Stanton
5. Elliot

Anonymous said...

Louis and everyone else. Do you think 'that scene' in "Don't Look Now" is real? Or is it just great acting?

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Rating and thoughts on Klaus Kinski in The Little Drummer Girl.

JackiBoyz said...

1. McMillan
2. Stanton
3. Candy
4. Elliott
5. Roth

Luke Higham said...

1. McMillan
2. Stanton
3. Candy
4. Elliott
5. Roth

Luke Higham said...

Everyone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qsg0fku78o

Luke Higham said...

And The Poster looks amazing.

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Calvin Law said...

PSYCHED

94dfk1 said...

This could be The Dark Knight of this new trilogy.

Luke Higham said...

It's now one of my top 5 anticipated films for the rest of the year. I think it might challenge Empire Strikes Back for 'Best Star Wars film' and I hope we'll get a 5 star performance from Hamill or Driver.

Anonymous said...

Luke: That poster is awesome.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Lithgow - 4(John Lithgow? In a cheesefest? Playing a firebrand preacher who banned dancing? Before watching the film I thought I was awaiting quite the hamfest from Lithgow a la The Santa Clause movie or Cliffhanger, but I was quite taken aback by how low key he is in the role. Like Wiest, he takes it so seriously it's rather impressive. Even the preacher scenes, where big acting is perfectly fine, Lithgow doesn't go too big. He's passionate but honest to the quieter man the character is the rest of the time. I found it rather remarkable that he never turns the role into a villain granting at least an understanding to his viewpoint. He makes his transition in the last act believable, particularly due to his strong chemistry with Wiest, and is rather moving even.)

Kinski - 3.5(Underused to the point that I really would have preferred if the film had been from his viewpoint since he is sort of the Gunther Bachmann/George Smiley of the piece. Kinski brings that sort of incisive cunning through his performance presenting that intelligence he breaks down the situation, and manipulates with such unmistakable ease while never seeming manipulative. He's only in a few scenes but he steals the whole film with what he has.)

Anonymous:

Fantastic Four directed by John Carpenter:

Mr. Fantastic: Jeff Bridges
Invisible Woman: Rebecca De Mornay
The Human Torch: Val Kilmer
The Thing: Kurt Russell
Doctor Doom: Powers Boothe

Giuseppe:

Griffith - (Her style doesn't always work for me but came off as rather perfect here for the porn star who never really figures out what's going on even at the end. Griffith's sort of airhead style she brings is perfect for the very nonchalant style of the "actress" who keeps trying to play her part even as the situation turns dire. She's very funny while pulling back just enough to convey her unease once she starts to figure out that at the very least something is off.)

Anonymous:

Acting, though indeed great acting. Donald Sutherland's explanation is pretty good that suddenly it all seems far less erotic if you imagine Nicholas Roeg calling out directions and the cameramen, with rather large cameras, going in circles around them.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the star wars trailer and poster.

Charles Heiston said...

Got high hopes from that trailer, looks pretty epic.

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

The poster was amazing. The trailer technically didn't say much more than it will be visually compelling and probably will have a darker tone in some aspects, then again it didn't really need to say any more than that. Looked great to be sure.

Robert MacFarlane said...

I have a really good feeling about Hamill.

RatedRStar said...

1. McMillan
2. Stanton
3. Candy
4. Elliott
5. Roth

Charles Heiston said...

Full change.

1. Stanton
2. Candy
3. McMillan
4. Roth
5. Elliot

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top 10 most disappointing performances by actors you like.

Calvin Law said...

Hamill looks very promising, I agree.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Are you looking forward to Okja.

Luke Higham said...

Does anyone think there could possibly be 10 slots for Supporting this year.

Anonymous said...

I hope Hamill gets a 5.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: I hope so too and I hope he's supporting as well.

Varun Neermul said...

Louis, your thoughts on 'The Wizard Of Lies'' trailer. It seems that De Niro is not sleep walking.

Anonymous said...

Luke: I think so too that there'll be 10 slots.

Charles Heiston said...

Am i the only one who thinks Charlie Day is an actor with potential? He really needs to make a mark in more films.

Calvin Law said...

Charlie Day is hilarious with just about everything he says and does.

Charles Heiston said...

You're goddamn right about that. Such comic talent in the guy.

Luke Higham said...

Calvin & Charles: Agreed. I watched Fist Fight recently, which I actually quite enjoyed due to the chemistry between Day and Ice Cube.

Anonymous said...

I'll have to agree on Day.

Alex Marqués said...

Me too, I haven't seen Charlie Day in anything outside of IASIP but he is hilarious in that show.



Charles Heiston said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Charlie Day as an actor?

94dfk1 said...

He was the standout of Horrible Bosses for me.

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Do you watch Family Guy? If so, I'd want to have your thoughts on the show's overall quality, and its decline.

Calvin Law said...

Saw Furious 8. It was decent and entertaining enough, though it pretty much revamps the whole character dynamics of the series in a rather weird way.

Diesel - 2.5 (a bit too stoic, even for Don, in a largely reactionary role, though he handles a big emotional scene fairly well)

Johnson - 3.5 (rock solid Rock-ing as usual, with some nice chemistry with...)

Statham - 3.5/4 (though it's somewhat questionable how quickly they make him a hero given his action in the previous films, he's a whole lot of badass high octane fun and makes every stupid line he delivers quite entertaining)

Rodriguez - 2 (lacklustre and dull as usual but she had a few good reactionary moments)

Gibson and Bridges - 3 (their usual schtick and they do it as well as usual)

Emmanuel - 2.5 (good with what she had but wasted)

Eastwood - 2.5 (he was okay but his character was not at all necessary)

Russell - 3.5 (once again, master of exposition)

Thereon - 2.5 (the villain is once again the underwhelming element, more the script's fault than Theron though)

Mirren - 3 (entertaining cameo, though her accent was fairly dodgy)

Calvin Law said...

Also someone else makes a cameo appearance which is welcome though it doesn't make any sense.

Luke Higham said...

Calvin: I'm seeing it tomorrow, but I wish this franchise came to an end, since I feel they're gonna repeat themselves again and again and Walker's passing has left a massive hole in the family dynamic.

Calvin Law said...

Walker is certainly missed.

Anonymous said...

Luke: The films got better IMO, but that's not saying much.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: The films have got better since the fourth entry, though I feel it's getting stale too. I like Vin Diesel, but they need some new blood or get Lucas Black from Tokyo Drift to fill Paul Walker's spot.

Anonymous said...

Luke: If they ever make a tenth entry, then I hope it's the last.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Agreed. They should get Ben Foster as the main villain for the last one.

Anonymous said...

Luke: If they get Ben for the last film, then they shouldn't waste his character.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: If he gets enough screen time and got some good material (Doesn't have to be great), he could surely get a 4 star performance out of it.

Anonymous said...

Luke: To be fair, Fast & Furious never had great material.

Luke Higham said...

Anonymous: Decent material then. :)

I agree. The films are like The Italian Job of this era, yet even more far-fetched and without the brilliant quotes from Caine and Coward.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Clint Eastwood - The Dead Pool
Robert De Niro - Cape Fear (beginning of the end)
Morgan Freeman - Invictus
Paul Newman - Absence of Malice
Kirk Douglas - The Vikings
Donald Sutherland - Klute
Ralph Fiennes - Later Harry Potters
Anthony Perkins - Crimes of Passion
James Stewart - The Philadelphia Story
James Mason - Age of Consent

Luke:

Yes very much so.

Varun:

Looked somewhat interesting if somewhat generic in terms of the vein of Arbitrage, though this one is based on a true story. De Niro looks like he could be good, but I wasn't amazed by what he did in the trailer.

Charles:

Well as an overall actor I've only seen his work that is more or less a slight variation of Charlie Kelly such as in Pacific Rim and Horrible Bosses. His work as Charlie Kelly though is pretty great, though a little unwieldy as sometimes he can go off on the wrong limb which can lead to dead horse beating in It's Always Sunny. His manic style though in general is very entertaining, and he's hilarious most of the time.

Tahmeed:

I saw the first three seasons which are rough though somewhat amusing, but I found the fourth, and any random later episodes I have seen, pretty intolerable with its structureless gag writing, with so many of the gags missing.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Henry Cavill as an actor.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: What do you think Fiennes should've done with his performance as Voldemort.

Matt Mustin said...

Louis, what's your ratings and thoughts on Bruce Willis and Samuel L. Jackson in Unbreakable?

Charles Heiston said...

R.I.P Clifton James.

Luke Higham said...

R.I.P. Clifton James

Anonymous said...

R.I.P. Clifton James

Anonymous said...

Louis: I know you gave your top 15 male lead performance of all time, but what are your 16-20?

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Your top ten male leading and supporting performances of the 80s.
Mine would be:-
Leading
1. F. Murray Abraham in Amadeus
2. Harry Dean Stanton in Paris, Texas
3. William Hurt in Kiss of the Spider Woman
4. Raul Julia in Kiss of the Spider Woman
5. Daniel Day Lewis in My Left Foot
6. Mel Gibson in Gallipoli
7. Robert Duvall in Tender Mercies
8. Aleksei Kravchenko in Come and See
9. Tom Hulce in Amadeus
10.Michael J Fox in Back to the Future

Tahmeed Chowdhury said...

Louis: Also, have you considered upgrading Hector Elizondo for The Flamingo Kid.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your top 15 favourite trailers of all-time.

Calvin Law said...

Seen any 2017 releases recently Louis?

Luke Higham said...

Saw Fast 8, aside from the Rock/Statham interactions and Statham's work as a whole, I was utterly bored by it. I thought the Dom going rogue idea was quite interesting, yet felt they wasted it. And did we really need another family dinner ending.

Charles Heiston said...

Tahmeed: Great list, mine would be -

1. F. Murray Abraham - Amadeus
2. Harry Dean Stanton - Paris, Texas
3. Jeremy Irons - Dead Ringers
4. William Hurt - Kiss of the Spider Woman
5. Raul Julia - Kiss of the Spider Women
6. Bob Hoskins - Mona Lisa
7. John Lone - The Last Emperor
8. Daniel Day Lewis - My Left Foot
9. Michael J. Fox - Back to the Future
10. Gary Oldman - Sid and Nancy

Charles Heiston said...

Luke: I expected it would be boring. I might not see it considering i don't like the series much to begin with.

Luke Higham said...

Charles: I recommend the Statham stuff when it goes up on youtube eventually, but it's definitely not worth full price of admission.

Nguyễn Ngọc Toàn said...

Just checked out your top ten and realize your update of Nausica in 1984. Hope it's gonna be a dream start for Studio Ghibli here in this blog :))

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Haven't seen him stretch himself past the leading man type currently. As a leading man he's basically acceptable. He has enough presence and is charming enough. I don't think he truly excels in either aspect but he's usually decent.

Matt:

Willis - (Going on having not re-watched since I saw it in theaters. Anyway as I recall Willis makes for a good sort of purposefully stoic hero. In that Willis very much is a representation of the hero type in a fairly straightforward way, though not emotionally simple way. He portrays sort of the conflict of accepting his place in an effective way less as a hero shirking his duty, but just as man coming to terms with his strange reality.)

Jackson - 4(If I re-watched the film he probably would go up. As I liked his way of giving way the twist while never actually doing it. In that he gives sort of the cunning incisive style fitting to a villain yet Jackson is able to subvert with this genuine passion of a man who believes he's doing the right thing, again technically a villain though he hides it so well while technically not hiding it all. I particularly love his final scene where he's actually rather heartbreaking in depicting the man painfully accepting his apparent "fate".)

Luke:

Just toned it down a bit honestly particularly with the "Naaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhsssssss". He and Bonham-Carter has a similair trajectory where they began well enough but took their mannerisms up to eleven in the later installments.

Trailers:

Alien
Psycho
The Dark Knight (Joker trailer)
Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Rings
Watchmen
Logan (Hurt)
Cloverfield
The Master (teaser)
Godzilla 2014
The Shining

Anonymous:

16. Viggo Mortensen - The Road
17. Daniel Day-Lewis - My Left Foot
18. Jack Nicholson - One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
19. Al Pacino - Dog Day Afternoon
20. Robert Blake - In Cold Blood

Tahmeed:

Lead:

1. F. Murray Abraham - Amadeus
2. Jeremy Irons - Dead Ringers
3. William Hurt - Kiss of the Spider Woman
4. Raul Julia - Kiss of the Spider Woman
5. Daniel Day-Lewis - My Left Foot
6. Harry Dean Stanton - Paris, Texas
7. Paul Newman - The Verdict
8. Bob Hoskins - Mona Lisa
9. John Lone - The Last Emperor
10. Tatsuya Nakadai - Ran

Supporting:

1. Dennis Hopper - Blue Velvet
2. Darrin McGavin - A Christmas Story
3. Christopher Lloyd - Back to the Future
4. Rutger Hauer - Blade Runner
5. Sean Connery - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
6. Mandy Patinkin - The Princess Bride
7. Michael Palin - A Fish Called Wanda
8. Kevin Kline - A Fish Called Wanda
9. Joe Pesci - Raging Bull
10. James Woods - Once Upon a Time in America

Unlikely.

Calvin:

Saw Furious 8 as well.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Thoughts on the film & ratings/thoughts on the cast.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Is Mel Gibson a 4 for The Patriot.

Nguyễn Ngọc Toàn said...

Oh wait Louis has already post his 15 lead performance of all time? Where can I find his list guys? Could anybody tell me where can I find it?

Louis Morgan said...

Luke:

Sort of pondering the series as whole, well the revitalized portion, this film helped me kind of see what I like about the films oppose to other dumb action films. Well first of all the action is done well in all of ridiculousness. Just being ridiculous in itself isn't enough the execution has to be there, and it's there again. The second being the characters, which while they aren't Michael Coreleone or Scarlett O'Hara, they have just enough there, for an action film of this type, to be likable. Again again the likable "family" is there. Third is the chemistry the cast seems to be having fun, for the most part, and they let us in on the fun. Again that is apparent here. There is a mistake though in the tone, which the previous three I felt found the right balance between fun and taking it just seriously enough. Here though it actually went too dark at some points, even in the action they made the mistake to show human collateral damage, but worst of all was the main element of the plot which just is a little too serious for a Fast and Furious movie. It doesn't ruin the movie but it takes too much of the fun out of it, which is all that these movies are suppose to be.

Diesel - 2.5(I don't think where they put Dom was the best place for his character to be. Too much brooding is not a good thing for Diesel. Obviously he needed it for the part but it does not play to his strengths unfortunately.)

Johnson - 3.5(Rocking it out in the best of ways, with a great scene partner in ......)

Statham - 3.5(Okay his character change makes no sense, given what he did at the end of 6, in fact Luke Evans's brother probably is more redeemable in terms of his onscreen actions. Statham though is there to play and play he does. He's a great match for Rock and the two are so much fun together in there great clash of charisma. Someone get them a buddy cop movie NOW.)

Bridges/Gibson - 3(They're doing there usual thing and it's a good example of it.)

Eastwood - 2.5(Looks just like his father only with the charisma, confidence and screen presence removed. To be fair it kind of works though for this part given he's suppose to be new hapless crew member.)

Russell - 3.5(I could listen to him give exposition all day along he does it so well and makes it so much fun to listen to.)

Hivju - 3(He's basically just doing Tormund but hey he's good at that sort of menace and it works for the part.)

Theron - 2(Disappointing performance as she just doesn't find the right path for her performance. The problem is though she just doesn't seem to be having any fun in the role whatsoever. Your in a Fast and the Furious movie, that's a time where you can go over the top it bit. She's far too dour in the role, and just needed to let loose a bit.)

Mirren - 3(Entertaining little cameo from her, now she's having the right kind of fun.)

Nguyễn:

You can find the list in my review for Keanu Reeves in Thumbsucker.

Anonymous said...

Louis: I don't know about you, but I think the Fast & Furious franchise should come to an end. What do you think?

Luke Higham said...

I want it to end soon, but since it made over half a billion dollars in 5 days, it's gonna be a long wait.

Calvin Law said...

Wouldn't be surprised if they somehow resurrected Han for the sequel just to make it okay to root for Statham without feeling like something's very amiss.

Luke Higham said...

Calvin: Oh, fuck no. I'll be done with the franchise if that ever happened.

Calvin Law said...

Luke: I mean they might as well, I kinda like that they're going as ridiculous as possible with everything.

Luke Higham said...
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Luke Higham said...

Calvin: Perhaps, but after last night's viewing, these films are growing stale for me unfortunately and as I've said before I want Lucas Black back to fill the Walker role and please get Foster as the villain for FF9, as I would like to see him share some scenes with Statham again.

Charles Heiston said...

Nguyen: Got ya covered, i hope more films of Studio Ghibli make it on his top 10's too.

1. F. Murray Abraham in Amadeus
2. Peter O’Toole in Lawrence of Arabia
3. Gene Hackman in The Conversation
4. James Stewart in It’s A Wonderful Life
5. Jeremy Irons in Dead Ringers
6. Richard Farnsworth in The Straight Story
7. Toshiro Mifune in Rashomon
8. Richard Attenborough in 10 Rillington Place
9. Laurence Olivier in the Entertainer
10. Alec Guinness in The Bridge on the River Kwai
11. William Hurt - Kiss of the Spiderwoman
12. Raul Julia - Kiss of the Spiderwoman
13. Takashi Shimura - Ikiru
14. James Stewart - Vertigo
15. Eli Wallach - The Good the Bad and the Ugl

Anonymous said...

The series tanked when Walker passed.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

Yeah probably, since they basically have to go to space at this point. I wouldn't be opposed to a Hobbs spinoff though.

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your thoughts on the His Silicon Soul episode.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: I'd happily see a Hobbs/Deckard spin-off.

Luke Higham said...

Louis: Your thoughts on Christoph Waltz, Klaus Maria Brandauer and Klaus Kinski.

Ngoc Toan Nguyen said...

Charles:

Thank you Charles! Really appreciate it :)

Anonymous said...

Louis: Your top 10 Jon Voight acting moments.

Louis Morgan said...

Anonymous:

I do think the episode has some vaguely interesting ideas but it doesn't really do much with them unfortunately. It's a fairly forgettable episode all things considered but not a bad one.

Luke:

Waltz - (Waltz seems to be stuck in an unfortunate case of type casting as the Euro-villain. His performances seem to reflect a boredom with this and it's unfortunately becoming very stale despite how strong it began. Now his two Oscar winning turns are knock outs, and actually, despite similarities in the roles, do show a range. In Inglorious he's absolutely chilling in his portrayal of amorality, while in Django he's absolutely charming while being moving in his portrayal of morality. In both he brings an entertaining comedic energy as the life loving extrovert. His range does not end there as proven by Zero Theorem where he so effectively played an introvert. I wish someone would give him to stretch himself again because he has it in him.)

Brandauer - (Technically I need to see more of him, yet going off the four performances of his that I've seen he's an incredibly intriguing performer. In that he is able to capture this captivating cold emotionalism. His work has this striking presence, that perhaps can create distance, yet he offers so much nuance within it that breaks down that distance. He's one I wish to see more of, and I'd love to see him in a high profile film again.)

Kinski - (Also need to see much more of him, but from what I've seen he's a one of a kind performer. Kinski is this force of nature in his performance style that has this intense emotional quality within his animalesque physicality. He's captivating performer in his ability to be so grand yet subtle all the same. Such as one of my favorite moments of his is his underrated work in Doctor Zhivago where you just see him looking upon the free couple below him, and face expresses so much. Kinski's performance are his in a most unique way where he can be heartbreaking yet frightening all in the same breath.)

Anonymous:

Voight:

1. Tending to Ratso - Midnight Cowboy
2. Ending - Midnight Cowboy
3. Beating the John - Midnight Cowboy
4. Killing the Hillbilly - Deliverance
5. Luke's speech - Coming Home
6. Religious Zealot - Midnight Cowboy
7. Trying to help Bob - Coming Home
8. Scribbage - Midnight Cowboy
9. Tied up - Deliverance
10. Oscar loss - Tropic Thunder

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